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I would like to hear from real live Sabbath keepers and from those who I do not want to start a arguement, but a passionate discussion among. In the first Seventh-Day Adventist Church Manual, published in , one of the The date was not wrong, they reasoned, but the significance attached to the. About Us & Our Seventh Day Adventists (SDA) Dating Service very important to us - such as keeping the Sabbath and following the dietary laws. At Adventist Match, we believe that it is extremely important that we not be unequally yoked.
White claims a vision against pork: She didn't even follow her own visions for a time! White maintained that "I am just as dependent upon the Spirit of the Lord in relating, or writing a vision, as in having a vision. Are you bold enough to dare to check out what she said, or will you succumb out of fear, or the majority belief?
It is readily apparent that not all SDA's are vegetarians, yet the predominant teaching is against eating meat. White's visions are to be treated as the prophets of old, why do they not all listen to their prophetess? Why didn't Ellen G. White follow her own prophecies? She said in TestimoniesVolume III, page 21, that her visions gave "positive testimony against tobacco, spirituous liquors, snuff, tea, coffee, flesh meats, butter, spices, rich cakes, mince pies, a large amount of salt, and all exciting substitutes used as articles of food.
However, the Bible contradicts Mrs.
Jesus ate fish, Luke He prepared a "fish fry" for the disciples, John The Messiah was prophesied to eat butter, Isaiah 7: God's people eat eggs, Job 6: We agree that tobacco, and excessive amounts of coffee, tea, salt, and spices are harmful to the body, as well as excessive amounts of intoxicating beverages there are many Scriptures on this topic.
However, God created the alcoholic fermentation process. The Savior drank wine not grape juiceMatthew Paul told Timothy to drink a little wine for his stomach's sake, I Timothy 5: When SDA's are confronted with the Bible facts on wine, they are totally dishonest and try to say that the Greek word for wine, oinos, means "grape juice.
Let us be honest with God's Holy Word! White's writings are held to be as inspired as Isaiah and all the prophets of old. Yet she contradicts the Bible and herself.
Seventh-day Adventists today are not honest. White's published vision says that we are positively not to eat flesh meats. Yet the SDA church does not follow this teaching. A recent Adventist Review magazine "Friendship Issue" states that she merely gave "advice to abstain from flesh foods" and "not all members have adopted a non flesh diet" page If many members of the church founded by Mrs.
White do not even believe what she said, when she claimed infallibility, why should I believe Ellen G. I'd rather believe I Timothy 4: They speak of the body as the "temple of the Holy Spirit. Like Adventists, we believe in prayer and anointing the sick. But there is a vast difference between us and Adventists on the subject of health. Adventists operate a series of hospitals that dispense harmful drugs, are said to perform abortions, perform needless or destroying operations, and in short, are little different than the rest of modern "health science" which is founded on pagan Egyptian and Greek medicine.
The true way of the Creator Yahweh is the way of obedience to His laws of cleanliness in diet and total living, and of faith in Him to heal you when sick. We should seek and use natural substances such as herbs, which the Creator has given for our health "herb for the service of man," Psalm Read our book, Biblical Health and Healing. On the other hand is the way of "doing your own thing," and then going to medical "science" to operate on you, or to pump harmful drugs into your body, in order to repair the damage.
Those who know how drugs and vaccines are made and of what substances they are composed, understand why there is great hypocrisy in avoiding unclean substances such as pork, while at the same time freely taking drugs and vaccines.
Some vaccines are made from putrefied pus of animals such as horses, calves, and monkeys. Since I believe that the Eternal's laws forbid eating unclean foods, I can't reason around pumping putrefied unclean animal substances into my bloodstream, in the name of "health. But then neither do most other Sabbath-keepers either. My God is a lot more powerful than the "modern" god of medicine.
Yahweh is my healer, Exodus White quotes only part of Isaiah Yet the rest of the verse states that there will be few men left. Scripture is plain that the millennial kingdom will be on the earth, not up in Heaven, Zechariah 14; Acts 1: The earth will, under the saints' rule under Christ, be restored to its Edenic glory, Isaiah 2: God created the earth to be the home of mankind, not to be destroyed, Isaiah Military Service Seventh-day Adventists are not opposed to military service.
They will, if conscripted, serve as medics. Carver of Iowa, were opposed to bearing arms and believed that the church should adopt the same position publicly. James White wrote in the Review that to engage in war would be a violation of two of God's commandments, but in case of being drafted, the government would be responsible for an individual's violation of God's commandments. In effect, he said that it was all right in these cases to break God's law!
However, Iowa Church of God brethren were so adamantly against warfare that they petitioned and were granted a special state exemption as non-combatants, which the White group branded as "fanaticism. They do not waffle on this issue. As detailed in our article, "And Follow Their Faith! Marriage is not one of the strongest doctrines of Seventh-day Adventists. A Seventh Day Baptist leader told me he has seen a scholarly research paper proving that Seventh-day Adventists have one of the highest divorce rates of any Protestant denomination.
Since divorce, and especially divorce and remarriage contrary to the Bible is an important religious issue today, SDA's are culpable in not having the right doctrine and not speaking out on this vital issue. White's visions supposedly supported the idea that Christ was crucified on a Friday and resurrected on a Sunday. Jesus said the only sign He would give that He was the Messiah, was that He would be three days AND three nights in the heart of the earth, Matthew The way people argue around the plain statements of Jesus to cling to the Good Friday-Easter Sunday tradition, never ceases to amaze me.
Christ was not resurrected on Sunday morning, but on Saturday as the Sabbath was ending. Some SDA's believe in the Saturday resurrection, although the official church position supports Sunday. Some writers have attempted to show that Ellen G. White suggested a Saturday resurrection in her book, Desire of the Ages. One of the key doctrines of the Church of God Seventh Day since the s has been their belief of the Wednesday crucifixion and Saturday resurrection.
This belief gives a death blow to Sunday-keeping, and it is strange that SDA's keep the Sabbath, yet also believe in the Sunday resurrection doctrine. White carried over many of her Methodist beliefs into the Adventist church.
There are many Bible proofs against the Trinity. The word "Trinity" is not found in the Bible, so the burden of proof is upon Trinitarians to prove the existence of three beings. Adventists believe that the Holy Spirit, or the Comforter, is the personal representative of Christ on the earth.
The Bible says that we must have the spirit of Christ in us, Romans 8: They are both Holy Spirit. Early Adventists, such as pioneer Joseph Bates, were not Trinitarians.
Some conservative Adventists today, such as Richard Carlson, believe that the Seventh-day Adventist General Conference no longer represents God's faithful people, primarily because of its ecumenical and authoritarian stance, and the acceptance and teaching of the Catholic doctrine of the Trinity. The Trinity is the fundamental doctrine of the Catholic Church, upon which all her other doctrines are based. Easter and Quarterly Communion Because Mrs.
White was originally a Methodist, we can understand why she carried Protestant ideas such as the Trinity over into her new religion. This is, no doubt, the reason why she continued the practice of observing communion quarterly.
Seventh-day Adventist scholar Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi verifies that the early true Christians kept the annual Passover. In his famous book, From Sabbath to Sunday pages 81,he cites Epiphanius who said that until A. He also gives much other historical material which nails down the fact that "the inclination to break away from Judaism" led Rome to abandon the Quartodeciman Passover annual Passover on the 14th day of the first Hebrew month of Nisan as well as leave the seventh-day Sabbath and instead keep Easter and Sunday.
Sunday-keeping is the weekly extension of an annual Easter. And Easter is based on the false idea that Christ was resurrected on a Sunday morning. How SDA's can justify keeping communion quarterly, and Easter which borrows relics from paganism, after reading the works of one of their greatest scholars, Dr. Bacchiocchi, is a source of amazement to me! They generally do not know too much about the Holy Days. And quite surprisingly, in their official publication against the Radio later Worldwide Church of God, they only devote a few pages toward the end of the book to a refutation of the Holy Days.
Since the antitypical fulfillment of each of the Holy Days has already occurred, they reason, there is little purpose in observing the Holy Days.
One does not, and cannot, understand something he hasn't experienced. You cannot understand the Holy Days until you keep them. Those who truly keep the Holy Days know - from the Scriptures - that every one of the Holy Days even Passover points also to a future event as yet unfulfilled in God's plan.
Inleading Adventist Dr. Samuele Bacchioccchi, demonstrated in his book, God's Festivals in Scripture and History, that all of the Biblical Holy Days point to past, present, and future events.
This "discovery" led Bacchiocchi to accept the Holy Days. So, perhaps on this issue, some SDA's are making spiritual progress! It is also encouraging to note that Bacchiocchi attacks the observance of pagan holidays such as Christmas and Easter.
A revealing SDA belief is their open admission that they are Protestants. White writes glowingly of Reformers such as Martin Luther. This may be merely following the common view that one is either a Catholic or a Protestant. This concept is contrary, however, to the Biblical view that the true apostolic Church of God largely fell away, and controlling elements initiated the great false Catholic church, while scattered true believers fled into obscurity, leaving only traces of their existence in history's record.
The Catholic Church is the great whore, and has many harlot Protestant daughters, Revelation I am a member of the Church that has no connection with this system! SDA's are in reality little different than Protestants. A tree is known by its fruit. They are a Protestant church that happens to keep the Sabbath.
But, let us have hope that many SDA's can return to the faith once delivered. We should never write them off. Let us help them as we can. Conservative SDA's are appalled that their church hierarchy has joined the World Council of Churches, and compares its government to that of the Catholic Church. The pyramid of church organization.StoryTime: My Experience Dating a Seventh Day Adventist
Douglas Devnich, President of the SDA Canadian Union, stated, "The Seventh-day Adventist Church follows a model of organizational order in the church which is modified from the orders of Roman Catholicism, but it retains the same notions of clerical order which separates the members of the church into two classes - clergy and laity" Messenger, December,p. Wilson stated, "There is another universal and truly catholic organization, the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
Hart, in handing down a decision against Derrick Proctor and in favor of the SDA Church, stated, "Church documents that prescribe the church's structure and governance confirm that all parts of the church are parts of a single entity.
Next to the Roman Catholic Church, the Adventist church is the most centralized of all he major Christian denominations in this country. Purpose and Place of Church Organization Seventh-day Adventists say they are the true church, the "remnant people of God. They hold that they are the only organization. The powers exercised by SDA leaders are similar to those of the Catholic hierarchy.
There is a strict test of fellowship, and those not complying are excommunicated. Each candidate for baptism must agree to a list of statements of SDA beliefs before being baptized.
Tithes are sent to regional or general headquarters. Pastors are appointed to churches and paid by the Conference, which holds legal title to the local church property. The Church of God is not any exclusive church organization; membership in an "organization" is not, and never has been, a pre-requisite for salvation. Search the New Testament diligently, and you will never see all tithes going to a central church headquarters, you will never see all ministers appointed from headquarters.
There is no Bible example of a monolithic church hierarchical organization. Instead, local elders assisted individual members to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling, Philippians 2: Rather than proudly claiming to be the "only ones" that God has called, true believers remember Elijah's lack of awareness of other believers, Romans Church Name Ellen G.
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White had a vision that told her that the Sabbath Adventists should be called "Seventh-day Adventists," and that to use the term "Church of God" would be to excite suspicion, conceal absurd errors, and be a mark of fanaticism. However, as usual, she contradicted her own visions and used the name Church of God in several instances during the early years. The Eternal's true people are kept in His own name, John To use the Scriptural name for the body of His people is not fanaticism: Amalgamation of Man and Beast Mrs.
White said in Spirit of Prophecy, Volume I, page 78, "Every species of animals which God created was preserved in the ark.
The confused species which God did not create, which were the result of amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood. Since the flood, there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men.
Uriah Smith supported this: The beast and man mixing theory is something that no modern SDA would support. This idea is more absurd than evolution. SDA's are not honest when they cover up for the errors of their "prophetess. White copied profusely from other books, never giving credit yet claiming that every word she wrote was a direct revelation from God.
Whole paragraphs were used with little or no change yet with no quotation marks or credit. Finally, the edition of Controversy introduced quotation marks and has over credits not shown in older editions.
More information on this aspect of Adventism is given in the articles by Sydney Cleveland in this series. White and SDA's would follow her teachings! She warned her followers to "Shun debt as they should shun the leprosy" Testimonies, Volume II, page White wrote in Testimonies, Volume I, page"Christians should not take pains to make themselves a 'gazing stock' by dressing differently from the world.
On page she said the women's dresses should be an inch or two above the floor, while on page she advised nine inches from the floor.
The "reform dress" was loose pants with a sack over it. She said that "It is just what we need to distinguish and separate God's commandment-keeping people from the world" Testimonies, Volume III, page White even sold patterns for the SDA women to make the dress.
Great importance was attached to the reform dress, so much that a daughter of an Adventist pioneer preacher, in coming to the altar in a prayer meeting, was loudly asked by the minister, "Will you wear the reform dress?
White went to California aboutand before returning, she quietly rejected the dress. Other Adventist women quickly followed suit. Prior to s, some Battle Creek Adventist women tried to restore the reform dress, but were sharply rebuked by Mrs. White who said, "The Lord does not require any test of human invention. First the reform dress was a vision from God; but now it was reduced to merely a human invention.
The SDA apologist, F. Nichol, devotes nearly 25 pages of his book, Ellen G. White and Her Critics, to try to show that she didn't receive instruction in a vision about skirts 9 inches above the floor. The above quotes, plus a picture of Mrs. White in such a dress about this length, proves Nichol wrong. As I read articles pro and con about Ellen G. White, I am greatly amazed how Seventh-day Adventists can respect their "prophetess.
Having personally examined many of these dusty texts, I cannot help but question the moral integrity of such men. The Almighty is their judge. Religious Doubletalk "The writings of Mrs. White were never designed to be an addition to the canon of Scripture. If we carefully examine this statement, we will clearly see the religious doubletalk. Scripture cannot be broken, John It has no error.
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God doesn't inspire any error. All writings of uninspired man are prone to error and falsehood, no matter what their intentions may be. So if Ellen G. White's writings are not scripture, she is in one statement "taken off the hook" for any error she may have. On the other hand, it is claimed that her writings are the messages of God and should be treated equally with the messages given to Samuel, Jeremiah and Ezekiel. But these prophets' messages are in the Bible.
What is the difference? It's the same effect. Just because we don't trust anyone today to "canonize" Scripture doesn't mean that men today don't recognize various writings as inspired.
White's writings, Christian Scientists have Mary Baker Eddy, all the while claiming to believe in the Holy Bible, along with some other inspired writings.
Somehow the meaning of Revelation May the Eternal help us not engage in such hypocritical double talk, attempting to reason around following another human being! God's Word cannot be broken. Let us recognize the difference. Source of Ellen G. White's Visions Seventh-day Adventists claim the source of Mrs.
White's visions was divine. During numerous visions, doctors attested to the fact that she stopped breathing and was unconscious, but her heart beat regularly. In an vision, she was confined to bed and raised the upper part of her body at a 30 degree angle up from the bed unsupported by hands and arms for 30 minutes.
A leading Adventist minister, J. Loughborough, who personally witnessed this event, states, "Here again was proof that some power over which she had no control was connected with the vision" Loughborough, Rise and Progress of the Seventh-Day Adventists, pages The Bible, however, shows that God's true prophets are never possessed with such a spirit. When the people of Israel were delivered out of slavery in Egypt, God gave them the Sabbath law. The law was that they should not work on the Sabbath, the seventh day of the week, Saturday.
And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them. Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them. At the same time he gave them the Sabbath law, that they should not gather manna on the Sabbath. In Exodus 20when God gave the ten commandments, he expanded the law of the Sabbath. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: The Bible does not record that anyone else was ever commanded to keep the Sabbath.
God sanctified the seventh day at creation Genesis 2: But we never see anyone commanded to keep the Sabbath until the time of Israel.
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Seventh Day Adventists still try to keep the Sabbath law. They fail to realize that the Old Law was done away in Christ. In fact, the New Testament is plain that the Sabbath law was done away. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: